Arcia Extended

thewupk said:
But those options cost way more resources than what the Braves have.
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We might not have those resources at the moment but we had all offseason to try to find something and we had more resources then. Personally I would have targeted a SS instead of Murphy. We wouldn't have been able to afford one of the elite ones but maybe we could have found a trade partner. I'd rather have one good catcher and a good SS than two good catchers and a bottom third of the league SS.

We don't have to be top 5 at every position but when you have a spot that's lagging behind in the league then it's something you can try to improve for a playoff run.
 
Orlando in his career with the Braves

303 at bats
.248/.317/.421 (.738 OPS)
102 OPS+

No one is going to confuse that with a top 5 SS in the league but it’s clearly acceptable as a stop gap solution making $2m

It’s also clearly way better than a random guy you could pay the league minimum which you keep saying is easy to find when it’s just not. Especially when you factor in his batted ball metrics which are very good and is much more sticky. 300 at bats is enough sample size to conclude he’s improved his exit velocity.
 
striker42 said:
We might not have those resources at the moment but we had all offseason to try to find something and we had more resources then. Personally I would have targeted a SS instead of Murphy. We wouldn't have been able to afford one of the elite ones but maybe we could have found a trade partner. I'd rather have one good catcher and a good SS than two good catchers and a bottom third of the league SS.

We don't have to be top 5 at every position but when you have a spot that's lagging behind in the league then it's something you can try to improve for a playoff run.
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Which SS was available in a trade?

Not a single one was traded this off-season btw.
 
I think Arcia is an excellent Plan B, and I’m glad AA has him stashed away cheaply. It’s moves like those that keep contenders from falling off when stars leave.
 
striker42 said:
We might not have those resources at the moment but we had all offseason to try to find something and we had more resources then. Personally I would have targeted a SS instead of Murphy. We wouldn't have been able to afford one of the elite ones but maybe we could have found a trade partner. I'd rather have one good catcher and a good SS than two good catchers and a bottom third of the league SS.

We don't have to be top 5 at every position but when you have a spot that's lagging behind in the league then it's something you can try to improve for a playoff run.
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What short stops were traded in the offseason?
 
thewupk said:
What short stops were traded in the offseason?
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Just because none were traded doesn't mean there weren't any that could have been had. Maybe there was a potential match, maybe there wasn't. I just don't see Arcia as something we should be satisfied with at SS. Not unless his production deviates unexpectedly from his career norms.

I also don't see difficulty of obtaining another SS as a reason we should be happy with Arcia. We can be dissatisfied we got into a position where we have to start Arcia.
 
striker42 said:
We might not have those resources at the moment but we had all offseason to try to find something and we had more resources then. Personally I would have targeted a SS instead of Murphy. We wouldn't have been able to afford one of the elite ones but maybe we could have found a trade partner. I'd rather have one good catcher and a good SS than two good catchers and a bottom third of the league SS.

We don't have to be top 5 at every position but when you have a spot that's lagging behind in the league then it's something you can try to improve for a playoff run.
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AA plays the long game. We will really need Murphy in the future, but he may not have been available then. Get him now and extend him and you will have him when you really need him.
 
striker42 said:
Just because none were traded doesn't mean there weren't any that could have been had. Maybe there was a potential match, maybe there wasn't. I just don't see Arcia as something we should be satisfied with at SS. Not unless his production deviates unexpectedly from his career norms.

I also don't see difficulty of obtaining another SS as a reason we should be happy with Arcia. We can be dissatisfied we got into a position where we have to start Arcia.
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If Arcia can be a league average player (2 WAR) making pennies then that is something we can and should be satisfied with.

And I very much doubt there was a potential match for a SS with what we had to offer. The fact that the good free agent SS's got huge contracts and no cheap good SS were traded tells me that teams really value SS. The cost in a trade was going to be very high.
 
striker42 said:
We might not have those resources at the moment but we had all offseason to try to find something and we had more resources then. Personally I would have targeted a SS instead of Murphy. We wouldn't have been able to afford one of the elite ones but maybe we could have found a trade partner. I'd rather have one good catcher and a good SS than two good catchers and a bottom third of the league SS.

We don't have to be top 5 at every position but when you have a spot that's lagging behind in the league then it's something you can try to improve for a playoff run.
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Catcher defense is immensely important right now - I would not have sacrificed that since we had an average replacement for dirt cheap in house for SS.
 
chop2chip said:
Oh so you’re saying he’s not going to finish the season as the best hitter in baseball.

The xWOBA of .328 is perfectly acceptable. That would put him > 100 wRC

Just enjoy a guy having a good season, man
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Those aren't even the true numbers - Arcia has been much better from an 'expected' perspective.
 
thethe said:
Those aren't even the true numbers - Arcia has been much better from an 'expected' perspective.
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It appears Baseball Savants and Fangraphs differ with those expected numbers. At first I thought it was just that they hadn't updated Arcia's stats on Fangraphs fully but they have. The expected stats are based on Statcast data which shows 22 events for Arcia, the same as Baseball Savant. So the Statcast based stats are updated on Fangraphs. They just have an xwOBA of .298 for Arcia.

I really don't know why they're different at this point.
 
striker42 said:
It appears Baseball Savants and Fangraphs differ with those expected numbers. At first I thought it was just that they hadn't updated Arcia's stats on Fangraphs fully but they have. The expected stats are based on Statcast data which shows 22 events for Arcia, the same as Baseball Savant. So the Statcast based stats are updated on Fangraphs. They just have an xwOBA of .298 for Arcia.

I really don't know why they're different at this point.
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My guess is that their data feeds come from different sources and the cadence of when they are refreshed varies based on availability from the provider.
 
Tapate50 said:
Had that for Catcher too.
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Need two catchers though and I don’t think the braves were in love with Contreras behind the plate. Plus TDAs bat is important for us so having him in the DH is a benefit of getting Murphy.
 
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chop2chip said:
Olson’s average exit velocity on statcast is 100mph. Jesus
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Bunch of swing and miss right now so hopefully he isn’t sacrificing one for the other. Either way it looks great now. Just hope it’s sustainable considering the whiff rate.
 
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