Bethancourt

VirginiaBrave said:
Right now, but I 'd be willing to bet in five years, this board will either be thankful CB is our catcher or be wishing he was.
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The Braves have a better chance of winning the division this year than CB has of being even a consistently average offensive catcher.
 
AerchAngel said:
Of course not, we know where your eyes and hands are though and.....the jar of Vaseline. A poster of CB on one wall, a poster of Bryce Harper on the other wall, and then on the fore wall is the Washington Nationals team pic...and I would bet you put porn-stache Adam Morrison style on few of the players, like Werth thinking Brokenback Mountain style fun.
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Naw, I'm too old for posters on the wall...and don't need vasaline.
 
VirginiaBrave said:
Right now, but I 'd be willing to bet in five years, this board will either be thankful CB is our catcher or be wishing he was.
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Maybe. That can reasonably be debated.

But what you said in post 69 is "Bethancourt is the best catcher we honestly have right now." There is no reasonable basis for that proposition.
 
Gattis also has developed a histort, albeit small one, of being a good pitch framer. That is part of catcher defense as well.
 
VirginiaBrave said:
He is the best defensive catcher we have right now. Gattis lets balls get through him way to much,
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Bethancourt had three passed balls and a number of others scored wild pitches that could've been scored passed balls. That was only in his short time with us, that's hardly better than Gattis.

That said, I do like his potential defensively but that is more based on his throwing arm. Which isn't enough to make up for his bat at this point.
 
nsacpi said:
I agree that Bethancourt is better defensively. But overall Gattis is better by a big margin.
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I am not even sure I agree that Bethancourt is better defensively overall. Does he have a better throwing arm? No doubt. But that isn't all there is to defense for a catcher. And based on what I've seen I cannot say Bethancourt is better than Gattis at calling games, pitch framing, or blocking balls. They may be about the same overall at this point, all things considered. But I do agree that Bethancourt has the potential to be a very good defensive catcher (and that includes being better than Gattis).

To sum it up, I am not sold yet on Bethancourt reaching his full potential and not just offensively. Though that is the main area he needs to improve if he wants to be a starter in MLB.
 
nsacpi said:
You should consider the possibility that other posters who watch a lot of baseball and know a lot about baseball disagree with some of your assessments.
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Thats what makes this fun. But there is no place for the personal stuff. I have been told I don't watch baseball all summer...
 
VirginiaBrave said:
For the most part too many fans today get tied up in the numbers and don't use their eyes.
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I use my eyes and my eyes tell me the Nats aren't as good as you think they are. In fact, there isn't one dominate NL team. Thankfully, the A's are in the AL.
 
Braves1976 said:
Bethancourt had three passed balls and a number of others scored wild pitches that could've been scored passed balls. That was only in his short time with us, that's hardly better than Gattis.

That said, I do like his potential defensively but that is more based on his throwing arm. Which isn't enough to make up for his bat at this point.
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Gattis just let two go by him that probably cost us this game, clearly better than CB defensively though.
 
Heyward said:
Gattis just let two go by him that probably cost us this game, clearly better than CB defensively though.
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That second wild pitch isn't even worthy of debate, while the first he got down and was in good position. It just bounced to the side too far off his shin guard. Betancourt had the same happen to him vs Philly. I'd say neither were at falt on those plays, more so bad bounces. Ozuna read it very well and has decent speed too.
 
Heyward said:
Gattis just let two go by him that probably cost us this game, clearly better than CB defensively though.
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No one is even really saying that, but Bethancourt is definitely not a ton better defensively then Gattis. Gattis is much closer defensively than Bethancourt is to Gattis offensively. The point is Gattis, overall, is clearly a better player right now.
 
Gattis will not be the braves catcher come 2016. No way he makes it to the new stadium.

Great story and very humble guy but not an everyday catcher.
 
CyYoung31 said:
If he stays healthy, he absolutely is an everyday catcher.
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No doubt about it... was a silly comment. Gattis' bad defense is so overstated. He's actually not a bad defender at all... he may not be fantastic, but he's at least average. You add in his fantastic bat and he's easily an everyday catcher until he has too many health problems. And when our offense sucks as much as it does... we have to have him at catcher until something changes.
 
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