Fredi Gonzalez Rant Thread.

57Brave said:
The post I quoted was speaking of the substitution. Uggla was the last bench player outside of Laird. Say what you will about Uggla but I am sure 99% of MLB baseball people would rather have Uggla represent the go ahead run on 2nd in the 11th (?) over Gattis.
Still, did Fredi get a post game question on the move ? I usually follow his post game comments - this might have passed me. Because, I didn't think the move all that controversial and pretty much by the book.
If he was asked, what did he say? If he wasn't professional bseball critics saw what I saw. a pretty un impeachable PR decision

Certain here that Gattis' leg health had something to do with the decision. That is one more reason why it is not at all controversial to run for a catcher.
Uggla is a good base runner. Not fast --- good
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If pinch running Uggla in that spot is such a no brainer move, why did Fredi wait until two batters after Gattis to send him in?
 
Find if he was questioned at the post game press conference and see if the answer is there.
It really isn't that unusual of a move - managers from AJ Spalding to Matt Williams
 
It's not unusual to pinch run in that situation. It's unusual to swap one slow runner for another.

I don't give a rat's ass whether or not the reporters asked Fredi about that play because, like I've said about a half dozen times, it didn't end up affecting the outcome of the game.

By the way, your "good" baserunner got doubled off on a line drive hit in front of him, and it wasn't even close.
 
I'm pretty sure he meant bunting JUP to move Freddie to 3rd with one out. would have walked gattis, setting up CJ 1st and 3rd with one out.

KeithLockhart said:
If I recall, it was 1st and 2nd with 1 out and CJ up.

CJ probably sucks at bunting, and would've K'd attempting to bunt. It's already 50/50 he's going to K when he's just trying to put the ball in play.

It's unfortunate CJ GIDP like he's been doing plenty of this year.

If there is a gripe, it's TLS should've been in that situation, but many of you would've wanted him to bunt anyways. Or if he did let him swing and TLS unfortunately hits into a DP, you'd be calling for Fredi's head on why didn't he bunt anyways.

I don't like the bunt with 1st and 2nd and 1 out. A single is just as likely to get in the run at 2nd with 1 out as it is with 2 outs, only difference is with 2 outs the runner is running on contact.

It's one of those situations CJ would've been better of K'ing instead of grounding into a DP.

Let's not forget just how terrible our entire team has been at bunting this year.
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DirkPiggler said:
It's not unusual to pinch run in that situation. It's unusual to swap one slow runner for another.

I don't give a rat's ass whether or not the reporters asked Fredi about that play because, like I've said about a half dozen times, it didn't end up affecting the outcome of the game.

By the way, your "good" baserunner got doubled off on a line drive hit in front of him, and it wasn't even close.
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that's baseball
 
Bravesfan205 said:
I agree his line ups could be better and so could his bullpen management but other than that he has little impact on the games
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OK, at least you are fair enough to admit these are valid criticisms unlike some others. Further, nsacpi notes correctly IMO that "bullpen management is one of the more important parts of the job." And he is also correct to say that Fredi isn't just not good at it, he is "brutal" in that area. Plus he does a bunch of other little things that hurt us (not resting Freeman at all, resting bench players too much, bunting when you shouldn't but not when it makes sense, not pinch hitting Gattis and pinch running for him when he shouldn't, etc).

That said, I also don't think he and Wren are a good mix together. But I see Fredi as more the problem than Wren personally.
 
Yeah, there are indications that Wren and Gonzalez are at times not on the same page. The most notable example was Parrish's firing as batting coach a day after Fredi said all his coaches would be back. I think there have been times also when player decisions have been made that have surprised Fredi. I remember in particular Fredi saying it was "news" to him a couple years ago when Wren decided Venters needed to go on the DL.

In the grand scheme of things those are small things. But they indicate that the communication between Wren and Gonzalez is not as good as it should be. Those two should be sharing their thoughts on such a complete basis that surprises of those kinds never arise. The fact that they do arise suggests that the two are not as trusting and candid with each other as they should be. I suspect Wren feels that Fredi is a little slow when making certain decisions that really a manager should be making and that as a result he has to intervene.

Btw it is interesting that Uggla has recently said no one has talked to him about his new role. I know there isn't much to be said. But I would have thought Fredi would have made the time for a five minute conversation.
 
Look at the personality of the team. Look how it has changed since 2010. That, perhaps more than anything else, is an indictment of Fredi's ability to manage and lead. People defend his obviously bad in-game decisions by saying that he is excellent in the locker room, but I don't think the evidence points to that at all. MULTIPLE players who left have criticized him and MULTIPLE players have criticized him while STILL on the team. Roger did what he did with the bat. Pendleton fought Johnson. The team ignored Chipper (Bobby would've gone out there himself to catch, if need be). The list goes on and on. There is a reason this team feels different to many of us...and not in a good way.
 
Dalyn said:
Look at the personality of the team. Look how it has changed since 2010. That, perhaps more than anything else, is an indictment of Fredi's ability to manage and lead. People defend his obviously bad in-game decisions by saying that he is excellent in the locker room, but I don't think the evidence points to that at all. MULTIPLE players who left have criticized him and MULTIPLE players have criticized him while STILL on the team. Roger did what he did with the bat. Pendleton fought Johnson. The team ignored Chipper (Bobby would've gone out there himself to catch, if need be). The list goes on and on. There is a reason this team feels different to many of us...and not in a good way.
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I totally agree. Everyone keeps suggesting he is awesome with the clubhouse, but I don't see ANY evidence to suggest it other than players aren't publicly completely dismissing him, which will never happen anyways.

I can name several examples of situations where I would have been pissed if I was a player under him
 
Dalyn said:
Look at the personality of the team. Look how it has changed since 2010. That, perhaps more than anything else, is an indictment of Fredi's ability to manage and lead. People defend his obviously bad in-game decisions by saying that he is excellent in the locker room, but I don't think the evidence points to that at all. MULTIPLE players who left have criticized him and MULTIPLE players have criticized him while STILL on the team. Roger did what he did with the bat. Pendleton fought Johnson. The team ignored Chipper (Bobby would've gone out there himself to catch, if need be). The list goes on and on. There is a reason this team feels different to many of us...and not in a good way.
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I think you're overstating. The personality changed because we're a younger team with different upbringings. Care to list all the examples of players publicly ripping fredi with and without the team?
 
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