GDT: 5/31, Braves @ Giants; Day Off For Freeman
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Tapate50
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Man, I thought the exact opposite. This was one of the few moves this offseason everyone was on board with.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
No, I didn't. Link?
Using the results so far in consideration of salary and control how is it not a fair deal?
Freddi needs to be fired ASAP. I fear with an over achieving team that's not going to happen.
Top 50 prospext?
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Because Peterson has a high potential flameout rate. That and right handed power is the most premium asset in the game right now. See our return for the risky Gattis.
sturg33
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David O'Brien @DOBrienAJC 14h14 hours ago
#Braves Fredi on Teheran: "Health-wise, he’s fine. But it’s not the same Julio from a year ago, where you’d give him the lead and it’s over"
David O'Brien @DOBrienAJC 14h14 hours ago
#Braves Fredi on Teheran: "I think he’s OK health-wise, I think it’s just a matter of the game plan, or the way he’s executing his pitches."
David O'Brien @DOBrienAJC 14h14 hours ago
#Braves Fredi G on Teheran: "I know his line looks pretty good, but I just didn’t feel comfortable the whole game, to tell you the truth."
He wasn't exactly throwing Julio under the bus. Hardly any reason for you to be in an uproar about Fredi not "backing his player".
The obsession some of you have with whatever comes out of Fredi's mouth following the game is cringeworthy at times.
Your brain must be an exciting place to be.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
I didn't have a problem with most of the moves, but I was urging signing Kelly Johnson from the get-go and I thought it made perfect sense after all the shuffling was completed. And this coming from someone who wasn't particularly enamored with Johnson during his first tenure with the Braves.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
I would agree somewhat with Freeman's assessment. Again, I haven't seen a lot of Teheran this season, but his stuff looks pretty "lazy" compared to earlier seasons. He's just not as sharp or aggressive.
sturg33
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To publicly say a player "isn't as good as last year" and that you "don't feel comfortable with him" is putting unneccesary additional pressure on him. How about a Bobby quote:
"He grinded. Got the job done. Kept us in it without his best stuff. We'll keep working to improve."
Simple. Instead we get "Yeah - He's no longer good enough to keep a lead. Not as good last year. I'm not comfortable with him out there"
So we can't use WAR in this argument?
How is it even a debate that it would have been a fair deal straight up using the results thus far?
Exactly. Bobby would have never said anything resembling that.
He would have said something to the extend of that he is working through some things etc....
sturg33
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Jace's WAR is defensive driven - which you have clearly discounted as being reliable
Oh yeah. He does Bobby speak one day and you guys say he's a clueless moron who wasn't watching the same game we were on TV. Today he points out the obvious to everyone and he suddenly isn't backing his players. He's so uncomfortable with Julio that he let him stay in there to hit for himself and pitch to another batter. If Julio didn't give up the double, Fredi leaves him in there to try and finish the inning.
Like I said, your over analysis of Fredi being "harsh" on Julio is absurd. Julio is in his 3rd year, he isn't a rookie anymore. If you think Julio is going to be butt hurt or that this puts added "pressure" on him, then Julio shouldn't be pitching in the big leagues nor should he start any meaningful decisive, elimination, or playoff game for us. EVER. If he has the mental strength of a little leaguer, he can never be our #5 starter let alone "ACE".
Aren't you a fan of not being politically correct? You've chastised Fredi before about his postgame interviews for being too bland or saying absurd things Bobby would say, yet he points out something completely obvious but isn't exactly throwing Julio under the bus and you think he has an agenda against Julio. Outrageous.
Bobby did say some things previously about certain players before. What Fredi said about Julio is hardly cardinal sin.
Upton has a 158 OPS+. He's playing in a park where it's almost impossible to hit well in and yet is hitting .307/.368/.545. Jace has an 88 OPS+ with a line of .269/.335/.344.
If you want to use WAR:
Fangraphs: 1.6 Upton to 1.0 for Peterson. Projected to full season is a WAR advantage for Upton of over 2 wins.
Bref: 2.1 Upton to 0.9 for Peterson. Projected to full season is a WAR advantage for Upton of 6.8 wins to 2.9 wins.