ISIS

thethe said:
I'm a big believer in man made global warming and drastically fear the ramifications are already irreversible. I'm a math/science guy by nature. While I'm Conservative with my political beliefs I'm socially LIberal.

Hooray for assumptions!
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uh, my statement says i see you more up in arms about ISIS than global warming

which seems to be true no matter if you believe in global warming or not
 
This is a thread about ISIS. Why is Global Warming even relevant. It just seems like your typical mantra...deflect an obvious issue bringing in other noise.
 
thethe said:
This is a thread about ISIS. Why is Global Warming even relevant. It just seems like your typical mantra...deflect an obvious issue bringing in other noise.
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you asked:

Do people seriously believe ISIS isn't a threat?
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i mean, most anything can be a "threat"

i would judge most things in degrees

ISIS is a very very very etc small threat

there are larger threats out there

but some people are going insane with fear over ISIS as if they are about to invade the USA or something

i answered your question, you just didn't like the way i answered it
 
You don't believe that the destabilization of hte middle east even more than it already is not a big threat. I can't fathom how some can't see the long term impacts of groups like ISIS. The last thing this world needs are more radical Islamists.
 
zitothebrave said:
THat being said, Russia and China are way more dangerous than ISIS and it's not even close.
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Um, but Russia and China aren't openly advocating for nuclear destruction of the United States.

ISIL is a threat. We should take them seriously ... seriously. Not Fox News' frenetic seriousness -- but let's just say the group should be considered with the same level of import as our nation's 'militarized' police forces.

Al-Qaeda wasn't taken seriously.
 
thethe said:
You don't believe that the destabilization of hte middle east even more than it already is not a big threat. I can't fathom how some can't see the long term impacts of groups like ISIS. The last thing this world needs are more radical Islamists.
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I find it amusing that you mock me with "tin foil" comments, yet you constantly holler about the "threat" of Islamic terrorists. You seem awfully paranoid from a group of folks 20,000 miles away. Perhaps you should be more paranoid about the police in this country, who, you know, are far more likely to kill you than some Arab.
 
sturg33 said:
I find it amusing that you mock me with "tin foil" comments, yet you constantly holler about the "threat" of Islamic terrorists. You seem awfully paranoid from a group of folks 20,000 miles away. Perhaps you should be more paranoid about the police in this country, who, you know, are far more likely to kill you than some Arab.
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That's unlikely because I doubt thethe has ever been a criminal or attacked a police officer. What percentage of Americans are killed that fit that category?
 
gilesfan said:
That's unlikely because I doubt thethe has ever been a criminal or attacked a police officer. What percentage of Americans are killed that fit that category?
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There is a 0% chance I am killed by a police officer other than being in the way of a police chase or something. What a laughable comment.

The further de-stablization of the middle east has such far reaching consequences that EVERYONE should be worried about it. To ignore what it could mean to the global economy to relations with even Russia (they might see it as an opportunity to gain a powerful ally against the US) is a fools move.
 
thethe said:
There is a 0% chance I am killed by a police officer other than being in the way of a police chase or something. What a laughable comment.

The further de-stablization of the middle east has such far reaching consequences that EVERYONE should be worried about it. To ignore what it could mean to the global economy to relations with even Russia (they might see it as an opportunity to gain a powerful ally against the US) is a fools move.
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The stats are the stats. Deny them if you wish. You're 8 times more likely to be killed by a police officer. Kinda sad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States_2014

There's a wiki article which cites several killing each month - right or wrong.

Here's a site dedicated to innocent victims, thought it hasn't been updated frequently

http://www.innocentdown.org/the-victims/

I won't bother posting videos of Boston police putting guns in people's faces for the high crime of being in their house. Protecting and serving, you know.

I won't bother posting stories of failed drug raids where either the cops got the wrong house (pathetic), or they killed a family member that wasn't responsible (equally pathetic), or they killed a guy for drug use (pathetic).

This guy was a major threat I'm sure:
http://fox17online.com/2014/08/26/police-in-kansas-shoot-suicidal-teen-16-times/

Or this mentally ill kid:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/justice/north-carolina-teen-killed/

But trying to pin murder on someone for shooting the wrong person - well that's justified I'm sure
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/...ct-they-were-trying-to-shoot-with-her-murder/

How about shooting an unarmed kid in a truck? You know the cop got off with no wrong-doing of course
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/7/iowa-police-shoot-teen-dead-after-father-calls-cop/

Gotta make sure we kill those mentally ill men:
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/23776757/dallas-officer-who-shot-ill-man-to-face-hearing

Or this mentally ill man:
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/...-activists-demand-answers-20140813-story.html

Good thing this cop killed this homeless man. We're now safe!
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/20/us/albuquerque-police-investigation/

I could go on... but I have a meeting to prep for. But you're right. Nobody innocent is ever in danger of those who protect and serve.
 
Damn, who knew that if you run from the cops and are aggressive toward them, you get shot?
 
I love how people think ISIS are just in one little group together, and it's so easy to bomb them and stop what they're doing without killing thousands upon thousands of innocent people.

Sure they are a "threat" but there are still bigger threats.
 
yeezus said:
I love how people think ISIS are just in one little group together, and it's so easy to bomb them and stop what they're doing without killing thousands upon thousands of innocent people.

Sure they are a "threat" but there are still bigger threats.
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The fact that they are spread out all over the globe makes them even MORE of a threat.
 
sturg33 said:
The stats are the stats. Deny them if you wish. You're 8 times more likely to be killed by a police officer. Kinda sad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States_2014

There's a wiki article which cites several killing each month - right or wrong.

Here's a site dedicated to innocent victims, thought it hasn't been updated frequently

http://www.innocentdown.org/the-victims/

I won't bother posting videos of Boston police putting guns in people's faces for the high crime of being in their house. Protecting and serving, you know.

I won't bother posting stories of failed drug raids where either the cops got the wrong house (pathetic), or they killed a family member that wasn't responsible (equally pathetic), or they killed a guy for drug use (pathetic).

This guy was a major threat I'm sure:

http://fox17online.com/2014/08/26/police-in-kansas-shoot-suicidal-teen-16-times/

Or this mentally ill kid:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/justice/north-carolina-teen-killed/

But trying to pin murder on someone for shooting the wrong person - well that's justified I'm sure

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/...ct-they-were-trying-to-shoot-with-her-murder/

How about shooting an unarmed kid in a truck? You know the cop got off with no wrong-doing of course

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/7/iowa-police-shoot-teen-dead-after-father-calls-cop/

Gotta make sure we kill those mentally ill men:

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/23776757/dallas-officer-who-shot-ill-man-to-face-hearing

Or this mentally ill man:

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/...-activists-demand-answers-20140813-story.html

Good thing this cop killed this homeless man. We're now safe!

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/20/us/albuquerque-police-investigation/

I could go on... but I have a meeting to prep for. But you're right. Nobody innocent is ever in danger of those who protect and serve.
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From those flaming liberals over at The Economist: http://www.economist.com/news/unite...uburb-demonstrate-how-not-quell-riot-overkill Scroll down to the graphic. Fatalities inflicted by police shooting (last available year so fairly recent): US-409, Germany-8, Great Britain-0, Japan 0.

As for ISIL, bad bunch that probably won't go away even after they are defeated militarily, which will likely happen. You'll note that almost every nation-state in the region is keen for ISIL's eradication. But the nation-state is teetering a bit, especially in a part of the world that has never really cottoned to the notion of geographic boundaries (which was only exacerbated by Winston Churchill's imperialistic idiocy).
 
yeezus said:
I love how people think ISIS are just in one little group together, and it's so easy to bomb them and stop what they're doing without killing thousands upon thousands of innocent people.

Sure they are a "threat" but there are still bigger threats.
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What do you suggest we do?

Don't understand why so many people are so against accidentally taking lives when fighting people, who wouldn't care less about taking our innocent lives. These people would kill you, your wife, your kids, your mom etc if they had a chance too. They don't care who they blow up and shoot.
 
Krgrecw said:
What do you suggest we do?

Don't understand why so many people are so against accidentally taking lives when fighting people, who wouldn't care less about taking our innocent lives. These people would kill you, your wife, your kids, your mom etc if they had a chance too. They don't care who they blow up and shoot.
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wow
 
I understand the sentiment but those innocent lives blood is on ISIS hands as much as it is the US. Its a shame that most Muslim people don't see it that way.
 
thethe said:
I understand the sentiment but those innocent lives blood is on ISIS hands as much as it is the US. Its a shame that most Muslim people don't see it that way.
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I am sure many of them do. In fact, I'd venture to say a majority of Muslims aren't too keen on ISIL.

But by kr's logic, authorities should never negotiate with criminals holding hostages. They should just blow up the building and be done with it.
 
50PoundHead said:
I am sure many of them do. In fact, I'd venture to say a majority of Muslims aren't too keen on ISIL.

But by kr's logic, authorities should never negotiate with criminals holding hostages. They should just blow up the building and be done with it.
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I really want to believe this 50. Its the only way that radical Islam can be defeated.
 
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