Julion Teheran over the Years
- Thread starter nsacpi
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Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
the velocity worries me. i don't know the stats but he seems HR prone.
But someone has to be the horse of the staff. If he's top 30 then he should be a very good on most teams.
I think it should take 2/3 out of the miller deal.
But someone has to be the horse of the staff. If he's top 30 then he should be a very good on most teams.
I think it should take 2/3 out of the miller deal.
KB21
Where's My Cup of Coffee?
Just Bregman is not enough, partially because with Albies and Swanson, the Braves already have two MIF prospects who are better prospects, and there is some doubt whether Bregman can play third. I know they are giving him some reps at 3B now.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I think we'll have a competitive team next year if we fill in some solid players at catcher and third. There are some good candidates available via both trade and FA markets.
Catcher: Ramos/Wieters/McCann or Sanchez if the Yankees make one available
Third: Ian Desmond/Prado/Turner/Freese
Given those options you don't trade Teheran unless the trade is a clear win.
Deester11
Well-known member
I have been JT's biggest fan. Since the day we signed him. 2nd tier of pitchers, I can side with that. JT is durable, has a career ERA of 3.38, 30 or more starts for each of his Complete seasons and before last year was our stopper of losing streaks. i don't but the stock notion because it applies to all players. Up. Down. I want him to anchor what will be a young staff.
Howevah..,if the haul is decidedly in our favor, I'm in.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
I think everyone realizes we need more offense moving forward. But you also need pitchers, and trading your only established guy, signed to a VERY team friendly deal, who will be around when you're no longer terrible, without far and away winning the deal, would be counter-productive to winning games. you need horses. you need guys who consistently throw innings. we can't be running 4 unproven guys and a FA that costs $12M/year out there and expect to really do anything. we're in a great spot with teheran. we have all the leverage in the world because there's no real reason to trade him, as he'll hopefully be just as valuable to you in 2 years as he is to a contender right now.
Anything short of a Bregman+Reed+more type package and I'm passing.
NinersSBChamps
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br> 2015 (Co-Winner)</BR>20
Yeah trade Julio and we lose 6-2 instead of 2-0.
Based on his contractual control and salary he would be an ideal candidate to a team looking to bolster its staff. I don't want to necessarily trade JT, but the front office should actively be listening to offers if there are any. Julio will continue to lose games as will the Braves until they have major league hitters on the roster.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
and trading Julio leaves you with 0 established pitchers for next year. give me a guy that consistently gives you a lot of quality innings.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
whoa.. not sure getting their top two prospects plus for JT is realistic. I can go for clear win, but if you are unrealistic, then don't even shop him..
KB21
Where's My Cup of Coffee?
Agree with this. This is also why the Braves should not have traded Alex Wood this past season. Imagine this staff being anchored by Teheran and Wood going forward with the young guys coming up.
msstate7
Well-known member
Throw wisler in there too. I think he's better than wood
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
then don't trade him at all. you really have no reason to other than his stock is high right now. it could go higher. if you trade him, you're going to need a guy like him possibly as soon as next year, but definitely in 2018. so you need to be totally blown away to even consider it. reed hasn't proven anything in the least.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
he's gotta prove he's better, but yeah I think i'd bet on his future over wood's.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
I completely agree.. and I am fine with not trading him. We will most definitely need him next year.. But I want a clear win.. and AJ and Alex are both super prospects.. To expect both of those and more is just impossible.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
is Reed a super prospect? I'm not sure he's not a tad overrated due to everyone loving Houston recently. I don't see a big difference between Reed+Bregman+ and the deal we got for Shelby.
Dave Cameron on Fangraphs in regards to Teheran:
"Yes, one good month should totally outweigh the fact that he threw 200 mediocre innings last year and his stuff continues to trend the wrong way. The Braves should be trading him as soon as they can find someone to buy into this. He's Shelby Miller 2.0. It's a mirage, and sell high while you can."
"Teheran's average fastball velo in 2015: 91.2. 2016: 90.1. I know Braves fans are in love with this guy, but you don't get your own facts."
"Yes, one good month should totally outweigh the fact that he threw 200 mediocre innings last year and his stuff continues to trend the wrong way. The Braves should be trading him as soon as they can find someone to buy into this. He's Shelby Miller 2.0. It's a mirage, and sell high while you can."
"Teheran's average fastball velo in 2015: 91.2. 2016: 90.1. I know Braves fans are in love with this guy, but you don't get your own facts."
Add Castro to your list of catchers, and stay FAR away from Wieters.
I think the Braves also need to add a corner OFer if they hope to be an 80-85 win team next year.
I almost always agree with Dave Cameron, and maybe my fandom homerism is getting the better of me with Teheran, but I disagree with Dave here.
He makes it sound like the Braves need to unload him as soon as they can, since the wheels could fall off at any point...as if that isn't the case with all pitchers. He then calls Teheran a ~2.5 WAR pitcher that relies on weak contact with declining stuff. That's a MOR guy, and MOR guys like Leake get paid $15M-$20M per year over 4-5 years, while Teheran is getting paid about half that.
I'd gladly hold onto the MOR pitcher being paid half the market rate and build the rotation around him unless some team offers another Swanson plus Blair package. Once he has 1-2 years of control remaining I would trade him and promote the next MOR starter from the deep minor league system.