Keith Law's Top 100 Prospect Rankings
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Me too. I think that if the Braves weren't so pitching rich he'd be given another go in AAA - but, as it stands, he's a more useful potential piece out of the bullpen. I seem to recall that his attitude wasn't the greatest, so perhaps it will be interesting to see if a move to the pen would be an issue.
I'd hate for the Braves use him as trade bait when his value is arguably at its lowest point.
striker42
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I've resisted the idea of moving Sims to the pen because of his potential but it's becoming clearer that's probably where he contributes the most. Also, the future rotation is getting crowded. Sims has fallen behind other starters. I think Sims will pitch out of the pen in Atlanta this year.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
I know it won't happen in real life. B/c even if things go great the Braves prob won't have the stones to make moves if we are "in it."
But I'd like us to try and flip the old starters and the RPs this year. If they pitch well early look to move Viz, JJ, etc. I think Minter, Sims, etc can come in and we won't see much of a drop off. Same thing with Dickey and Colon...I'm hoping at least one of Blair, Wisler, Newcombe, Weigel can show they are ready. Maybe more. If wer're riding a good luck of knuckleball I'd love to flip Dickey to another team but I bet we'll keep him if we are w/i 10 games of a wildcard.
I'm not talking about flipping guys just to do it. I'd only do that if it's the deadline and we are out of if. I'm talking about looking to be agressive to land some useful pieces. Even if they are talented pieces that are far away. Because we should have a lot of SP and RP ready to go by the All star break if not before. Hopefully there will be some pitching starved teams.
striker42
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I think we signed (or traded for) guys like Colon, Dickey, Garcia, and Johnson to the deals we did so that we would have flexibility this year. If we're "in it" and they're contributing then we keep them and have an interesting stretch run. However, if we're well out of it then we have a couple guys we can flip for useful prospects.
If they're terrible and have no value then we can release them and we're not on the hook for anything after this year.
It's pretty smart. Flexibility and no long term commitment.
Agreed. TD's floor is a defensive bench player with some occasional power. No prospect in the game is either a starter or out of the game. That is a completely moronic opinion to have. It's statements like that from Law that greatly lowers my opinion of him.
WRT his take on Riley...that's pretty much what I've read about him from almost everyone, and all Law does is echo the same stuff we all read too. To me, Riley is a non-prospect at the MLB level.
I get his point, which is that he's either going to figure it out and drop the Ks or he's not. It's just that he thinks that if he does drop the Ks, he's an MLB starter and if he doesn't, he won't be able to hit well enough as he climbs to continue climbing. I just disagree on that point and think that even with a bunch of Ks, he's potentially useful as a bench guy.
I also think Law says some things intended to get a point across rather than being exactly what he means. For example, I think he's trying to say there that he's a big-time boom-or-bust guy and the chances are better that he busts. I think if you pushed him on it, he would agree there's a greater than 0% chance he is a bench guy.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
agree.
I guess what i'm trying to say is there is a legit possibility that we could be "in it" and have one of Blair, Wisler, Newcombe or Weigel ready. I think it's probable that one of those guys would be ready and they'd be the same or better than a colon or Dickey. I just don't think we'd do the trade b/c the optics look bad.
For example we're 3 games out of the WC. Dickey has a 5 ERA. Somebody is willing to give up a B prospect or better depending on how much money we eat. Newcombe is being Newcombe but cut his walks by half.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
No one is giving up a B prospect for a 40+ pitcher with a 5 ERA. the question is if Dickey as a 3.5 ERA and Newk is dominating and we are 1 game out of the Wild Card, do we trade Dickey or who ever for a B+ prospect and let Newk have that spot. do the Braves have the coconuts to make that deal.
If Newcomb cuts his walks by half, he's a top 10 prospect in all of baseball.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
Better example. I think Jamie Garcia is the one that we could get a big fish for....
Change the example around like you did....but that was my point. I'd say there is a decent chance we could move someone like Colon and bring in someone who is just as good. I think it's a higher chance in the pen. We might be able to get a lot for Viz and lose nothing with Minter.
I don't think we have the stones to do it. And I dont' want to route against the Braves to be out of it.
striker42
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I think if we're in it and Newcomb is clearly a better option than Dicky then Dickey isn't going to block him. We'd definitely trade Dickey and then "leak" afterwards that we would have DFA'd him if we hadn't found a trade partner.
In any event, I find it highly, highly unlikely that all of Teheran, Colon, Dickey, Garcia, and Folty make it through the season healthy. I think there will be plenty of innings to be had.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
That's valid. I'm not sure it will be that obvious. If the guy sucks it will be easy. But if they are solid 4th starters....
When teams feel like they are in it they don't like the youth movement.
Hopefully we'll be in a space where those guys all look good. Big year for Blair and Wisler too.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
If Newk had half the walks last year, his WHiP would have been 1.06 and his ERA would probably been sub 3 again. He would have been top 15 for certain.
Looks like FG is going to even higher on the Braves system:
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Greg: How many Braves do you think will make your top-100?
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Eric A Longenhagen: 8
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Eric A Longenhagen: In no particular order…Maitan, Acuna, Newcomb, Fried, Allard, Anderson, Swanson, Albies, Gohara
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Eric A Longenhagen: That’s 9
12:44
Greg: How many Braves do you think will make your top-100?
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Eric A Longenhagen: 8
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Eric A Longenhagen: In no particular order…Maitan, Acuna, Newcomb, Fried, Allard, Anderson, Swanson, Albies, Gohara
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Eric A Longenhagen: That’s 9
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
I am really surprised that Gohard has made so many lists. that AFL performance is being a bit over valued IMO... don't get me wrong.. I am happy about it.
I may have been too low on Gohard and Anderson. I will happily eat crow if they both turn into valuable Top 100 guys.
I still see no logical way Gohard can be ranked higher than Touki or Newcomb though, so I wouldn't be shocked to see 10 guys in FG's Top 100.
He also said he will have about 150 guys with 50+ FV ratings, so the difference between 50-100 and 100-150 will be almost nothing.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
I would not put him over Touki either.. touki just has sick stuff and looked like he was starting to figure it out. But I think evaluators need to see another season of improvements I guess. Touki could be a fast riser on a lot of lists if he comes out fast.
Tapate50
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I can see Touki barely on the outside looking in, but Soroka?
