Neverending **** the Police thread.

striker42 said:
The lack of ability for people to accept that it's okay for others to have different beliefs and opinions never ceases to amaze me. And I apply this to Brees and those going after Brees.
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Yeah. Brees should not harassed or whatever for this. On a substantive level I've never understood veneration of symbols over the substance of what those symbols are supposed to represent. But he had something to say and he said it and shouldn't be harassed for it.
 
sturg33 said:
I am not sure. I assume the jury convicts on the charges brought up?
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As I read the story, the charges were added. That doesn't mean the previous charges were dropped. Unless the MN rules of Crim. Procedural are super weird, both options are presented to the jury.

Not at all atypical for a defendant to be charged with a range of versions of the same crime.
 
Metaphysicist said:
As I read the story, the charges were added. That doesn't mean the previous charges were dropped. Unless the MN rules of Crim. Procedural are super weird, both options are presented to the jury.

Not at all atypical for a defendant to be charged with a range of versions of the same crime.
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If that's the case then that's fine. Just don't want to overcharge which makes it impossible to convict.

Which would lead to more riots
 
One thing I still cant get over is Chauvin's demeanor the whole time he was kneeling on Floyd's neck. I have no idea how it will affect a jury. But its chilling watching his body language.
 
nsacpi said:
One thing I still cant get over is Chauvin's demeanor the whole time he was kneeling on Floyd's neck. I have no idea how it will affect a jury. But its chilling watching his body language.
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Hopefully a jury will see it as cold-blooded murder. I assume his defense will be that he was just trying to restrain him, but everyone knows "the sleeper hold" and what happens if you hold it for 9 minutes.
 
Metaphysicist said:
As I read the story, the charges were added. That doesn't mean the previous charges were dropped. Unless the MN rules of Crim. Procedural are super weird, both options are presented to the jury.

Not at all atypical for a defendant to be charged with a range of versions of the same crime.
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Typically when you're charged with a crime, the jury has the option of finding you guilty of a lesser included offense instead. So you can be charged with murder and be found guilty of the lesser included offense of manslaughter. I've not looked into how it is in Minnesota or if the different degrees of murder are lesser included offenses of the degrees above them.
 
Shame the data doesn't suppprt the idea blacks are being murdered in waves by cops.

Its not surprisjng that people refuse to analyze the data.
 
thethe said:
Shame the data doesn't suppprt the idea blacks are being murdered in waves by cops.

Its not surprisjng that people refuse to analyze the data.
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It's not surprising you try to argue an insignificant made up point. "In waves". lol
 
thethe said:
Shame the data doesn't suppprt the idea blacks are being murdered in waves by cops.

Its not surprisjng that people refuse to analyze the data.
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I think we've gone over this, but let's do it again.

Blacks are not getting disproportionately gunned down by cops (although shockingly the data are somewhat incomplete when it comes to killings by cops).

But in their interactions with cops, various studies that take care to control for other variables show they are more likely to be cuffed, more likely to be tased, more likely to be thrown to the ground, more likely to be slammed against a wall, more likely to have a gun pointed at them, more likely to have a baton used against them, and less likely to be addressed in a respectful manner.
 
nsacpi said:
I think we've gone over this, but let's do it again.

Blacks are not getting disproportionately gunned down by cops (although shockingly the data are somewhat incomplete when it comes to killings by cops).

But in their interactions with cops, various studies that take care to control for other variables show they are more likely to be cuffed, more likely to be tased, more likely to be thrown to the ground, more likely to be slammed against a wall, more likely to have a gun pointed at them, more likely to have a baton used against them, and less likely to be addressed in a respectful manner.
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Is that normalized to the type of interactions with the officer? Are you telling me that on a rate basis that whites and blacks have the same type of interactions?

Are we working with homogenous populations to make the claim that they are 'more likely'?

Are these adjustments as good as other adjustments that we have seen recently by experts?
 
nsacpi said:
I think we've gone over this, but let's do it again.

Blacks are not getting disproportionately gunned down by cops (although shockingly the data are somewhat incomplete when it comes to killings by cops).

But in their interactions with cops, various studies that take care to control for other variables show they are more likely to be cuffed, more likely to be tased, more likely to be thrown to the ground, more likely to be slammed against a wall, more likely to have a gun pointed at them, more likely to have a baton used against them, and less likely to be addressed in a respectful manner.
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And further. What does more likely mean? 1%? 5%?

What percenrage difference is ovwr the threshold where these country destabilizing riots and protests?

Where is the trend line on these figures the last 10 years? Are they improving? Improving for who?
 
thethe said:
Is that normalized to the type of interactions with the officer? Are you telling me that on a rate basis that whites and blacks have the same type of interactions?

Are we working with homogenous populations to make the claim that they are 'more likely'?

Are these adjustments as good as other adjustments that we have seen recently by experts?
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I put up a link to various studies a while back. Feel free to peruse.

My favorite one is about how cops speak less respectfully to blacks than to whites. Published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, June 2017.

Here is a link describing how the study was done.

https://phys.org/news/2017-06-police-officers-respectfully-black-residents.html
 
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sturg33 said:
that's literally ****ing awful. hope he gets charged.

can you find us a picture of the dude who set the apartment on fire with a child in it
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57 didn’t see that part. He was to busy blockading the fire trucks from coming to to the scene
 
nsacpi said:
I put up a link to various studies a while back. Feel free to peruse.

My favorite one is about how cops speak less respectfully to blacks than to whites. Published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, June 2017.
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Oh man...what degree of less respectable? How much more often. Is it 1 out of 2 encounter? 1 out of 10? 1 out of 100?

Shouldn't we kmow these things?
 
cajunrevenge said:
Oh God damnit they got Brees involved in this now. Kamara, Thomas, and Sanders unfollowed him on twatter.
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I mean it's a wrong opinion to have. It's not like Kaepernick was turning his back on the flag. He was taking a knee, something that isn't particularly disrespectful in any way.

https://www.ourmilitary.com/take-a-knee-military-meaning/

I wish more people were knowledgeable. Sadly people don't want to hear it. It's the world we live in I guess. But Brees is allowed to have his wrong opinion and everyone is allowed to tell him about it.
 
Is this the point where someone tells me I dont know what its like to feel hatred from others? That I should just stop talking and accept the 'truth' we all know?
 
zitothebrave said:
I mean it's a wrong opinion to have. It's not like Kaepernick was turning his back on the flag. He was taking a knee, something that isn't particularly disrespectful in any way.

https://www.ourmilitary.com/take-a-knee-military-meaning/

I wish more people were knowledgeable. Sadly people don't want to hear it. It's the world we live in I guess. But Brees is allowed to have his wrong opinion and everyone is allowed to tell him about it.
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Hahahahaha...is that what some overpaid PR firm came up with to make Kap look better so he could earn more money?
 
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