Spring Training Gamethread/Discussion

I didn't realize you were referring to his post in your comment, however, I don't feel like he was saying he will be Cano-like... just that his stance and body are similar. I think Carpenter is the real comparison and I agree he will probably start in AAA but as soon as Uggla starts struggling again he will be up almost a full year as a regular before Carpenter.

After a hot start Uggla has already started to slump, and its March and he's going up against a lot of marginal pitching. So stay ready Tommy L.

Don't think Wren and company will stick with Uggla too long, and he's obviously not changed his approach one iota.
 
So ST results s far.

J-Hey is smoking the ball, his BB is down a little from where you'd like it long term but it's obviously still spring. Early power signs are great, average signs are great, not much to hate.

Freeman is also raking. Walking well, showing good pop, hitting for a great average. Overall great spring. If those 2 are healthy and play to their ability, we have 2 great players.

Pena is hitting well in ST, but the words paper tiger come to mind. Looking at his numbers he has way too high of an average for him and he's not walking neither are great signs but I'll try to stay optimistic that he can carry this into 2014 regular season.

Mejia is unlucky that we don't have a DH. He's not by any means a star but could be a 300 AB DH on an AL team. Not an offensive machine like Ortiz, etc. who're DH guys, but could be very good in bursts and provide solid value for certain teams. Could be a trade candidate for a reliever or as a throw in to a bigger deal.

Uggla is not hitting for average, that's not a shock. Uggla is walking and hitting for power. Sample size concerns but if he walks and hits for power, he'll be just fine offensively.

Constanza another paper tiger, not walking no discernable power, but he is a good guy to have in AAA for when injuries happen because he can be a better than replacement level player.

TLS, producing numbers that are likely pretty close to where his MLB numbers would be, high average, high walks nothing special in the power department. Most important thing for me is in his little stint agains tmajor league quality pitching, 6K 6BB. Kid shows world class plate discipline everywhere he goes.

Chris Johnson power is down, BB rate is down both will be higher, I like his K rate through spring though. He'll be a solid offensive 3B most likely. Down from last year but still good.

Bossman isn't off to a pretty start, average is a respectable .297. Walk rate is decent, but his K rate is too damn high. ANd he's showing no signs of power. I'm concerned for now but I'll hope he performs when it counts. Regardless he can't be worse than last year.

Simmons not hitting well, but his K rate and BB rate are around normal so I have faith that this is just balls not falling hwere they should.

Gattis is having a poor spring, as well as Justin, but both are more extreme feast and famine type of hitters. they could have a crappy month then follow it with an amazing one. My concern between those 2 is with Gattis and his discipline. 10Ks to no walks is not good.

Bench musings, mentioned a few guys above who're playing well, Pena is solidifying his spot on the bench, making it a virtual guarantee if there was ever any concern. Mejia is making a case over terds to be on the bench playing the position of Bat if the Braves decide to go that route. Gosselin is having a strong spring and may be the winner in the backup 2B race if we carry an extra 2B. Constanza is flying away with the backup OF race, Schafer is doing literally nothing to win the job having a worse spring than both Cunningham and Lipka (who won't be making the team just kind of an exclamation point to Schafer's struggles) Schafer to me shouldn't be given the 4th OF spot, if it's close and he's up against someone who still has options thne you can award it to him, but if he's being outclassed like he has been by Constanza (I think both are out of options) or the more versatile defensively Cunningham (if we carry 2 backup OFs) then he should be optioned.
 
Pena is hitting well in ST, but the words paper tiger come to mind. Looking at his numbers he has way too high of an average for him and he's not walking neither are great signs but I'll try to stay optimistic that he can carry this into 2014 regular season.

I think the sample size for Pena is accumulating to the point where we have to say he might be one of those late bloomers who experiences a real improvement in his baseline. The improvement in his hitting goes back to winter league last year. So far it includes 29 spring training at bats this year, 50 from last year (.854 OPS), 97 at bats last regular season (.773 OPS), 211 AB's in the Mexican League (.849 OPS).

It is hard to know what to make of this because it is distributed over a winter leagues and spring training where everything needs to be discounted to some extent. But we now have a sample of almost 300 at bats (still not that big a sample) in which he has hit much better than earlier in his career. His line drive percentage last year was almost 25% (versus 21% career). Small sample to be sure, but another hint that maybe he is a different hitter now
 
Breaking down the SUNDAY box, losing 7-4 to Yanks.

After cutting 10 pitchers, hard to fathom why Fredi and Co. needed one more look of Severino. Here's why I saw on the replay Monday a.m.: can't throw strikes (Walked first two) and inability to get out lefties (three hits in 1/3 of an inning). I never want to see the roly poly meatball again.

And Varvaro did his Lamm imitation by making a bad inning worse. Severino had one out, two on, none in before taking the gas.

Four superb innings by Teheran allowed Severino to come in to protect a 2-1 lead.

1-2-3 innings for Carpenter and underrated Cornely.

Both Freeman and Douthit left game with bruised fingers.

BJ 2-4, RBI, SB, 2 Ks

JUp homers!

La Stella 1-3, R, RBI (.299). Don't like his approach on defense at all.

Heyward double, run (.350)

Still have 20 cuts to make.
 
I'll get flambed (and that's fine) and I am very curious about La Stella. If he can't play defense, he's probably Todd Walker with a little less the power and better contact skills (which isn't a bad player), but offensively, I'm starting to think of him as Gregor Blanco who won't strike out nearly as much. That would add about 50 points of OPS to Blanco's because his contact skills will drive up his average and that has a doubling effect on both OBP and SLG. Carpenter is a dream comparison, but Carpenter is a big guy at 6-3. 215, which gives him 4 inches and 30 pounds on La Stella. Unless La Stella craps dynamite, I don't see him as having as many XBHs as Carpenter.
 
I'll get flambed (and that's fine) and I am very curious about La Stella. If he can't play defense, he's probably Todd Walker with a little less the power and better contact skills (which isn't a bad player), but offensively, I'm starting to think of him as Gregor Blanco who won't strike out nearly as much. That would add about 50 points of OPS to Blanco's because his contact skills will drive up his average and that has a doubling effect on both OBP and SLG. Carpenter is a dream comparison, but Carpenter is a big guy at 6-3. 215, which gives him 4 inches and 30 pounds on La Stella. Unless La Stella craps dynamite, I don't see him as having as many XBHs as Carpenter.

I think that's fair. TLS is a quality hitter. He will hit. Defense is a concern, but we've trotted out Uggla at 2B for what the last 3 years? While his defense has improved since coming to Atlanta He stank pretty fierce out there overall. I don't think TLS would net us much worse if any worse defense. Seriously I think TLS's defense is massively overstated. I get that traditionally the Braves had solid defensive 2B who sucked at hitting, but I don't think that's a reason to not give him the job. Especially since one of the replacement options is Pastornicky who's not very good on offense or defense.
 
Regarding options, according to MLBTRS Gearrin, Schafer, Varvaro, Pena and Carpenter are our players out of options. Gearrin is the only one,IMO, in danger of getting dropped in March, but Schafer could get a chace to play regularly this year (due to BJ sucking) and if he falters he could be waived. He's no better than Costanza or Cunningham to me right now but he's got a major league contract so I think they'll keep him till mid season or thereabouts.

Varvaro's another guy who can't afford a bad year, but he's safe for now.
 
I think that's fair. TLS is a quality hitter. He will hit. Defense is a concern, but we've trotted out Uggla at 2B for what the last 3 years? While his defense has improved since coming to Atlanta He stank pretty fierce out there overall. I don't think TLS would net us much worse if any worse defense. Seriously I think TLS's defense is massively overstated. I get that traditionally the Braves had solid defensive 2B who sucked at hitting, but I don't think that's a reason to not give him the job. Especially since one of the replacement options is Pastornicky who's not very good on offense or defense.

La Stella's defense could be below average and still be an improvement over Uggla.
 
I think the sample size for Pena is accumulating to the point where we have to say he might be one of those late bloomers who experiences a real improvement in his baseline. The improvement in his hitting goes back to winter league last year. So far it includes 29 spring training at bats this year, 50 from last year (.854 OPS), 97 at bats last regular season (.773 OPS), 211 AB's in the Mexican League (.849 OPS).

It is hard to know what to make of this because it is distributed over a winter leagues and spring training where everything needs to be discounted to some extent. But we now have a sample of almost 300 at bats (still not that big a sample) in which he has hit much better than earlier in his career. His line drive percentage last year was almost 25% (versus 21% career). Small sample to be sure, but another hint that maybe he is a different hitter now

Pena should still never attempt to bat right-handed. I don't know why he continues to embarrass himself by doing that. You figure he would go the route of J.T. Snow and give up switch-hitting.
 
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McDowell (on Santana's live BP today): "it was very good. He's throwing all his pitches to both sides of the plate." #Braves
 
Lets hope he can have a good month so the Braves can shed his salary.

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I'll get flambed (and that's fine) and I am very curious about La Stella. If he can't play defense, he's probably Todd Walker with a little less the power and better contact skills (which isn't a bad player), but offensively, I'm starting to think of him as Gregor Blanco who won't strike out nearly as much. That would add about 50 points of OPS to Blanco's because his contact skills will drive up his average and that has a doubling effect on both OBP and SLG. Carpenter is a dream comparison, but Carpenter is a big guy at 6-3. 215, which gives him 4 inches and 30 pounds on La Stella. Unless La Stella craps dynamite, I don't see him as having as many XBHs as Carpenter.

I don't think the La Stella/Carpenter comparison is as far off as you make it out to be. Carpenter may be a much bigger guy, but he's still not a power guy. He's a line drive and on base guy just like La Stella. Look at their career minor league numbers:

Carpenter: .299/.408/.450/.858
La Stella: .327/.412/.496/.908

Now the big difference is Carpenter had a much larger number of at bats... but their power numbers and on base numbers are about identical. Carpenter was never considered a top prospect even in the St. Louis organization and he also was old for starting an MLB career.
 
Both Wood and Teheran are having outstanding springs. Both have TOR potential. Would be great if one or both took that step forward.
 
I don't think the La Stella/Carpenter comparison is as far off as you make it out to be. Carpenter may be a much bigger guy, but he's still not a power guy. He's a line drive and on base guy just like La Stella. Look at their career minor league numbers:

Carpenter: .299/.408/.450/.858
La Stella: .327/.412/.496/.908

Now the big difference is Carpenter had a much larger number of at bats... but their power numbers and on base numbers are about identical. Carpenter was never considered a top prospect even in the St. Louis organization and he also was old for starting an MLB career.

I doubt very much that La Stella will ever reach double figures in HRs. If you look at the slash, the difference between the two is in batting average, which, again, has a doubling effect on OPS because it contributes to both OBP and SLG. I could be dead wrong on La Stella. I think he's going to be alright, but I don't see him as this guy that some contend that he is going to become.
 
So which of our second basemen is having the best spring?

OPS numbers:

Uggla: 1.038

La Stella: .756

Pena: .895

As Ronald Reagan once famously said: facts are stupid things.
 
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