The War to Settle the Score - Election Day 2024

[tw]1854531467071606888[/tw]

Shame Republican leadership is so anti-Trump/MAGA that we wated money on Hogan and now Brown loses by a hair and Lake is still fighting tooth and nail in her race.

Just pathetic and the new era of 'Republicanism' will actually win.

When major candidates lose a race that the the top of ticket won (NC, NV, ARZ) that is a reflection on the quality of the candidate.

Maga lit a couple winnable races on fire by nominating awful candidates. This shouldn't offend you the way it does. Learn from it and be better in 2026
 
When major candidates lose a race that the the top of ticket won (NC, NV, ARZ) that is a reflection on the quality of the candidate.

Maga lit a couple winnable races on fire by nominating awful candidates. This shouldn't offend you the way it does. Learn from it and be better in 2026

Hey guess what - Money helps in elections.

Where is your outrage on spending worthless dollars on Hogan? Of course you don't care because its just TDS with you.
 
Some similarities here to 2024

Some - But in reality Trump won by similar margins in 2020 and deep down you know that.

At some point you'll heal and be able to admit outloud that you believe 2020 was stolen.
 
[tw]1854546539768652012[/tw]

Was so cute the watch the TDSers hyperventilate at the Seltzer poll.

Come back to sanity guys.
 
Some - But in reality Trump won by similar margins in 2020 and deep down you know that.

At some point you'll heal and be able to admit outloud that you believe 2020 was stolen.

I certainly believe there was a lot of fraud in 2020 and have never wavered from that
 
And yet you use final reported talleys to knock Trump.

Sure thing guy!!!!

Actually what i did was ask you how much I should use. When you gave me the numbers, I ran the numbers and concluded he and Biden basically tied at 49.5%

(As an aside, I seriously don't get why you're still so angry and seething at everybody. Relax dude)
 
Looking at Congressional and State-level results so far, it seems pretty apparent to me that while Republicans have the advantage, the underperformance of Harris was jarring. I’ll admit to being surprised at just how much Harris was the exact candidate I thought she was at the very beginning of the post-Biden cycle. I thought the campaign in the early weeks was strong enough that it made me question that initial feeling, but then she just never transitioned to anything beyond Trump being bad and it feels like an historic fumble.

I also admit that I dramatically underestimated Trump’s popularity amongst young white men. I read a couple people mention the need for a “Ben Shapiro of the left” and I largely agree. It seems like most of the left-wing social media accounts of any prominence are the absolute dumbest people on Earth whereas the right has a tremendous grasp over their messaging online. Walsh, Kirk, Poso, etc. throw out just as much absolute low effort trash as the similar leftist accounts, but they have struck a nerve that leftists haven’t been able to match. Which again seems to go back to how the left has approached Trump all along. They’re so sure enough of the country isn’t buying what he’s selling that they spend their entire time dunking on him as a criminal or Nazi and not on his conservative policies.
 
Looking at Congressional and State-level results so far, it seems pretty apparent to me that while Republicans have the advantage, the underperformance of Harris was jarring. I’ll admit to being surprised at just how much Harris was the exact candidate I thought she was at the very beginning of the post-Biden cycle. I thought the campaign in the early weeks was strong enough that it made me question that initial feeling, but then she just never transitioned to anything beyond Trump being bad and it feels like an historic fumble.

I also admit that I dramatically underestimated Trump’s popularity amongst young white men. I read a couple people mention the need for a “Ben Shapiro of the left” and I largely agree. It seems like most of the left-wing social media accounts of any prominence are the absolute dumbest people on Earth whereas the right has a tremendous grasp over their messaging online. Walsh, Kirk, Poso, etc. throw out just as much absolute low effort trash as the similar leftist accounts, but they have struck a nerve that leftists haven’t been able to match. Which again seems to go back to how the left has approached Trump all along. They’re so sure enough of the country isn’t buying what he’s selling that they spend their entire time dunking on him as a criminal or Nazi and not on his conservative policies.

The entire democratic party is a party designed to cater to women, and frankly, anti men
 
One thing that in hindsight seems significant to me in voter turnout that I haven’t seen brought up much (not that I’ve gone looking, I’ve generally been ignoring it outside of little spurts) is the lack of COVID stimulus. If I’m a disinterested voter in a big city, and someone comes to my house and tells me that if I mail out a ballot voting for Democrats, the government will give me another $800 or whatever it was in stimulus checks, I’d be far, far more inclined to do that.

Edited to add: this is not intended as an endorsement of that policy or any COVID policy. I’m less interested in what *should* have happened, just what did.
 
Looking at Congressional and State-level results so far, it seems pretty apparent to me that while Republicans have the advantage, the underperformance of Harris was jarring. I’ll admit to being surprised at just how much Harris was the exact candidate I thought she was at the very beginning of the post-Biden cycle. I thought the campaign in the early weeks was strong enough that it made me question that initial feeling, but then she just never transitioned to anything beyond Trump being bad and it feels like an historic fumble.

I also admit that I dramatically underestimated Trump’s popularity amongst young white men. I read a couple people mention the need for a “Ben Shapiro of the left” and I largely agree. It seems like most of the left-wing social media accounts of any prominence are the absolute dumbest people on Earth whereas the right has a tremendous grasp over their messaging online. Walsh, Kirk, Poso, etc. throw out just as much absolute low effort trash as the similar leftist accounts, but they have struck a nerve that leftists haven’t been able to match. Which again seems to go back to how the left has approached Trump all along. They’re so sure enough of the country isn’t buying what he’s selling that they spend their entire time dunking on him as a criminal or Nazi and not on his conservative policies.

The problem with the 2nd paragraph is it’s easier to be one of those people on the right in 2024 because the left went silly on so many issues that resonate with sane, normal people. Like I posted earlier today, the left had Joe Rogan (and Elon Musk) as their own. It was the left’s own illiberalism, intolerance, and general ridiculousness that pushed them across the aisle.

It’s kind of a chicken and egg problem …not sure if the new voices you’re looking for can reshape the (D) platform, or if (D) has to do it first before those voices emerge.
 
Looking at Congressional and State-level results so far, it seems pretty apparent to me that while Republicans have the advantage, the underperformance of Harris was jarring. I’ll admit to being surprised at just how much Harris was the exact candidate I thought she was at the very beginning of the post-Biden cycle. I thought the campaign in the early weeks was strong enough that it made me question that initial feeling, but then she just never transitioned to anything beyond Trump being bad and it feels like an historic fumble.

I also admit that I dramatically underestimated Trump’s popularity amongst young white men. I read a couple people mention the need for a “Ben Shapiro of the left” and I largely agree. It seems like most of the left-wing social media accounts of any prominence are the absolute dumbest people on Earth whereas the right has a tremendous grasp over their messaging online. Walsh, Kirk, Poso, etc. throw out just as much absolute low effort trash as the similar leftist accounts, but they have struck a nerve that leftists haven’t been able to match. Which again seems to go back to how the left has approached Trump all along. They’re so sure enough of the country isn’t buying what he’s selling that they spend their entire time dunking on him as a criminal or Nazi and not on his conservative policies.

Well they have a lot of content available with all the crazy Dems have pushed.

And you did have this guy- as has been pointed out in another thread - Joe Rogan.

The left just simply moved so far into crazy town not everyone has enough compromise

in their morals to go with
 
The problem with the 2nd paragraph is it’s easier to be one of those people on the right in 2024 because the left went silly on so many issues that resonate with sane, normal people. Like I posted earlier today, the left had Joe Rogan (and Elon Musk) as their own. It was the left’s own illiberalism, intolerance, and general ridiculousness that pushed them across the aisle.

It’s kind of a chicken and egg problem …not sure if the new voices you’re looking for can reshape the (D) platform, or if (D) has to do it first before those voices emerge.

I think you’re looking at it slightly wrong. I don’t think progressive views are going out of style, I think the party has prioritized many of them too highly at the expense of living conditions. One thing that has struck me is beyond the obvious COVID interlude, my life has frankly not changed for the better under Biden, but it also didn’t with Trump. I suspect on average it’s roughly been the same for anybody living in say the range of the perhaps lower middle class and below, and goes back to at least Clinton.

Things have gotten progressively more expensive and difficult under every type of administration and governmental aid has grown on average irrespective of the President. There will be specific classes of people, be it rural vs. urban, old vs. young, homeowners vs. renters, etc. that have been disproportionally affected by certain election cycles, but on average the machine keeps turning. Which ultimately makes it much easier to run for President on the offensive. As such, I don’t share in thethe’s enthusiastic belief that this was a paradigm shift election. The Senate map was always going to be unfavorable to Dems this cycle, the house is going to come down to the wire, Dems held or gained in quite a few state legislatures, and progressive ballot measures, particularly economic ones, were generally successful. Republicans have every right to feel good about their position, particularly nationally for the next 4-8 years unless Trump really mucks it all up. The map and census data look good for them and Dems haven’t found a message or policy plan that sticks for workers yet.

These are real issues for the left that they will have to grapple with. But I think the path forward will not be decided by who supports trans people or reproductive rights. Especially because the hardliners on the Right are every bit as out of touch with Americans on these social issues. There seems to be an expectation that the left needs to cede to the center on this while the right doesn’t face the same pressure. I think that’s a failure on the part of the Dems, and is one of the best parts I saw in the early days of the Harris/Walz ticket. They very briefly stopped going after Trump and instead focused on how the far right was already looking steps ahead past abortion and trans rights. But none of those things affect my daily life, nor the daily lives of 90% of the population. If you guys stopped talking about Trans kids, the average American would neither notice nor care about it. So I don’t feel the need to cede the social issues when the real path forward is through a focus on improving the livelihood of the working class.
 
Well they have a lot of content available with all the crazy Dems have pushed.

And you did have this guy- as has been pointed out in another thread - Joe Rogan.

The left just simply moved so far into crazy town not everyone has enough compromise

in their morals to go with

Look, I don’t have much against Joe Rogan personally. I don’t find that I genuinely enjoy much of his content, but it also doesn't repulse me. Sometimes it’s interesting, but I don’t think he has a particularly unique or interesting take on much. He’s very, very good at podcasting and delivers a quality product, but I just don’t think he’s that special otherwise.

So if Joe Rogan doesn’t agree with me on certain issues it does not really make me question my views more. He’s a guy who agrees with me on some things, and does not on others. A *ton* of people on both sides of the fence do the same. It’s a testament to his ability as a performer that he’s managed to find such success in such a divided culture while maintaining so much of his independence.
 
One thing that in hindsight seems significant to me in voter turnout that I haven’t seen brought up much (not that I’ve gone looking, I’ve generally been ignoring it outside of little spurts) is the lack of COVID stimulus. If I’m a disinterested voter in a big city, and someone comes to my house and tells me that if I mail out a ballot voting for Democrats, the government will give me another $800 or whatever it was in stimulus checks, I’d be far, far more inclined to do that.

Edited to add: this is not intended as an endorsement of that policy or any COVID policy. I’m less interested in what *should* have happened, just what did.

Democrats did a good job turning out voters this year. THey just couldn't insert 10M fake ballots into the system this time around.
 
Chop - When can we talk about the discrepancy in total vote count election over election?
 
Back
Top