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mqt said:
But they are prescribing the hormones to treat the disorder of gender dysphoria. I do see how you can get to your conclusion here, but saying they aren’t treating mental illness is just your opinion. That they’re doing so in a manner that doesn’t follow your expectation or as they have done in the past doesn’t make it not treatment. The effectiveness of that treatment and the resulting outcomes of patients needs to be studied very closely in both the short and long term, but that’s true of all mental health support. But you’re arriving at the conclusion of what Constitutional rights an entire population of people should have based on your *opinion* of their mental health and the treatment of these people, and instead of providing statistics about the overall population of trans individuals and the specific medical research of that healthcare, you’re advocating for violating their most basic rights to freedom in response to like 6 people committing a type of violence that is not remotely unique to their condition.

It’s a weak argument on its face when you’re suggesting giving the goddamn federal government this kind of power to lock people up whether they’ve committed a crime or not. You don’t think Joe Biden could have deemed unvaccinated to be a disorder and open up asylums for that affliction?
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Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. Thats pretty agreed on, no?

Instead of all other mental illness where we try to treat the illness, society has said "actually your mental illness is correct. Here's some drugs. Here's a parade. And the people who disagree want you dead"
 
sturg33 said:
Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. Thats pretty agreed on, no?

Instead of all other mental illness where we try to treat the illness, society has said "actually your mental illness is correct. Here's some drugs. Here's a parade. And the people who disagree want you dead"
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Because they have scientific and medical reasons to believe that’s the appropriate course of action. You don’t have to accept they’re right for it to be insane to suggest that this entire group of people, which includes many, many people living fulfilling, productive lives and causing no issues to anybody, should be forcibly sent to state asylums until they’re cured or whatever. That’s just blatant government overreach in the exact manner you pretend to give a fuck about. Stop having your entire brain shut off on the implications of what you’re suggesting simply because you are sick of using pronouns or something.
 
mqt said:
Because they have scientific and medical reasons to believe that’s the appropriate course of action. You don’t have to accept they’re right for it to be insane to suggest that this entire group of people, which includes many, many people living fulfilling, productive lives and causing no issues to anybody, should be forcibly sent to state asylums until they’re cured or whatever. That’s just blatant government overreach in the exact manner you pretend to give a fuck about. Stop having your entire brain shut off on the implications of what you’re suggesting simply because you are sick of using pronouns or something.
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Yeah and there were scientific and medical reasons to wear masks and stand 6 feet apart that was settled. Only thing is there is as much or more research explaining its bullshit.

Im not seriously suggesting putting tranny in a mental.asylum, because half of it is social virtue anyway. But I AM suggesting to stop telling them that they are correct and they need to.be pumped full of hormones and that conservatives wish them dead. This lunatics parents supported his illness, as did his doctors and the state. They are ALL culpable in this, and deserve blame for the massacre of innocent children.

Just like the last half dozen or so of these events. They're insane and insane enough to where a handful of them who previously would have just killed themselves now want to take as many as they can with them bc we all dont go along with the delusion
 
Why Jesus and not mohomad?

Christians are 10,000x more accepting of these lunatics than muslims

we know why

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mqt said:
Because they have scientific and medical reasons to believe that’s the appropriate course of action. You don’t have to accept they’re right for it to be insane to suggest that this entire group of people, which includes many, many people living fulfilling, productive lives and causing no issues to anybody, should be forcibly sent to state asylums until they’re cured or whatever. That’s just blatant government overreach in the exact manner you pretend to give a fuck about. Stop having your entire brain shut off on the implications of what you’re suggesting simply because you are sick of using pronouns or something.
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What treatments did we use prior to the last few years when the occurrence, glamorization, and violent acts of these mentally ill became so much more common?
 
mqt said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1960807143637991638

The other primary issue I have is that the actual implication here is that you must get them help, but that help must reinforce *their* expected outcome. The “institutionalize all the trans people” is inherently a political solution, because the mental health professionals that they’re urging people to turn to in this case would not advocate for the resolutions they are proposing.
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The problem is its become a status symbol for the left to have a trans child so some of them are pushing them in to it. They also take jobs like teaching that gets them access to children specifically to push their gender ideology. If my 6 year old son tells me he is a girl I ask him who told him that. And if he wont tell me I am withdrawing him from any school or daycare he is in and find new ones. Check this out.


 
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cajunrevenge said:
The problem is its become a status symbol for the left to have a trans child so some of them are pushing them in to it. They also take jobs like teaching that gets them access to children specifically to push their gender ideology. If my 6 year old son tells me he is a girl I ask him who told him that. And if he wont tell me I am withdrawing him from any school or daycare he is in and find new ones. Check this out.


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Too many social progressives treat their politics as a religion that they evangelize for.
 
One way to counter it. Make parents and doctors legally liable if their child grows up and says they pushed them into something they didnt want and cant reverse.
 
cajunrevenge said:
The problem is its become a status symbol for the left to have a trans child so some of them are pushing them in to it. They also take jobs like teaching that gets them access to children specifically to push their gender ideology. If my 6 year old son tells me he is a girl I ask him who told him that. And if he wont tell me I am withdrawing him from any school or daycare he is in and find new ones. Check this out.


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This is a fair thing to bring up for the larger debate on gender and culture, but it does t really address my two main concerns from yesterday, which are:

1) The idea of bringing back asylums with the intent of forcibly locking up people who have not done anything wrong and are not presenting any danger to society.

2) The discrepancy between what right-wing grifters like Gunther here are saying and what medical doctors who work with people with gender dysphoria are doing. The explicit suggestion is that the child needs help, but the implication is that they need to be corrected. That is at odds with current medical practices, and my worry is that discrepancy will lead to more people advocating for Option 1 where they just institutionalize otherwise healthy people for having a gender identity the people running the country’s asylums don’t accept. That has profound implications on human rights.
 
Jaw said:
What treatments did we use prior to the last few years when the occurrence, glamorization, and violent acts of these mentally ill became so much more common?
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I’m not trying to be flippant here, but you are welcome to look all that up. I’m not interested in getting into the weeds here because all I’d be doing is regurgitating a bunch of procedures and practices that I don’t have any actual experience with. My point isn’t really that doctors and scientists are infallible or that the current recommendations *must* be the right idea, but rather that pundits pushing this narrative have the same limited knowledge of the care being provided but that won’t stop them from advocating for what they believe is right for others.
 
cajunrevenge said:
One way to counter it. Make parents and doctors legally liable if their child grows up and says they pushed them into something they didnt want and cant reverse.
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It should be noted that the incidence rate of this outcome is quite low. It must be closely and critically tracked to ensure it doesn’t jump up, but this isn’t statistically happening much.

I genuinely welcome the skeptics in the science and clinical research of this field as I want as many people to live happy and healthy lives as possible, but I don’t think people who have no exposure to this in any way are the ones we should be having set the standards.
 
cajunrevenge said:
One way to counter it. Make parents and doctors legally liable if their child grows up and says they pushed them into something they didnt want and cant reverse.
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Quick question in response: if someone exercises their parental rights to go against the doctor’s recommendations to allow the child to transition and the child kills themselves, should that also result in legal liability? Fair is fair, right?
 
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