What was the stupidest thing the three Johns did?
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Suburban is a "neighborhood that contains complementary properties with less concentrated population than is typically found in an urban neighborhood." Suburban does not have to be residential, it is essentially the commutable area around an urban city.
Tapate50
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It was the best option available to increase payroll and continue to be competitive...even in the short term. Liberty ain't throwing us any bones, so we had to make our on bones if we want a payroll boost. Would you rather us be Tampa Bay or Oakland budget wise, except probably less stable and successful?
I don't think it's nearly as cut and dry as that.
But I do ultimately think that with a little patience and community building (heaven forbid) the team might have transformed the area where they are now into a place where people purchase their product (and not just people in the specific demographic they are now choosing to exclusively cater to).
After all, they chose that spot initially.
and the southern most (the minority #) ticket buyers will a be a little further. Seems like a nice compromise actually. This stadium isn't moving a long way people.
You don't see it as problem that 'the minority #' are also minorities? In Atlanta that's over 50% of the population and growing rapidly.
It just seems like marketing seppuku.
Then again, if Upton/Upton/Heyward circa 2013 didn't put asses in the seats, I don't know what would.
chipchildress
Awaiting a Promotion
Bottom line, the majority of ticket buyers will be much closer to home, and the southern most (the minority #) ticket buyers will a be a little further. Seems like a nice compromise actually. This stadium isn't moving a long way people.
that's not the bottom line. the bottom line is that the people that could get to the park efficiently no longer will be. the result will be much more traffic, more demand on our roads, more gas use and all that comes with that. that doesn't even touch on the effects it will have within the community they're leaving and the promotion of further corporate sprawl in the burbs. This doesn't even consider that the demographics within the city are changing rapidly as well. it won't be long before the inside of the perimeter has a huge increase in wealthy population. the braves probably knew that if they were to pull this off, they'd better do it now before that cobb county map has lost all relevance. it the long run the city core is exactly where they should be and will probably want to be. i actually expect a new stadium to be built back in the city the first chance that's afforded.
Tapate50
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Sure. I get that. I just didn't want anyone reading to have the connotation that it was ranch style houses and a wendys then boom theres a large stadium sticking up. I think that is some of the perception issues with us having a broader fan base (like yourself). Its suburban in the loosest sense of the word for that area.
My child had surgery up that way not a month or two ago just inside the perimeter and all the info still had an Atlanta address and everything.
I hope this doesn't transform into a race thread but in other urban areas are minorities buying tickets to games? Do non-whites actually like baseball in a large enough number to not-cater to whites? Afterall, this is a business where maximizing profit is the #1 priority.
Its still suburban dude, I don't think you understand the term. Suburban doesn't mean white fences and people out mowing the grass.
The biggest issue with the stadium will be the lack of mass transit and a county opposed to mass transit.
You can't treat Atlanta like other urban areas, though. Greater Atlanta is an absolute powerhouse of diversity and is already a great example to a lot of other cities in that regard -- especially Southern ones.
So why not be the standard bearer?
To me professional sports transcend traditional businesses in terms of the effects they can have on a community on so many levels, not just in rote economic terms but also in the inspirations they can provide and the unique way that might impact various people.
Anyways, I've digressed.
Tapate50
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I don't disagree. I actually feel like this spot was just what they could make happen with the least work. I figured any move would be toward 400 not far from the split. An area where brookhaven and buckhead would have pretty easy access...
According to Wiki 38% of the population in Atlanta is white. People have used Pittsburgh as an example of a team that embraced the city but according to wiki 66% of the population is white. The only reason is matters is becasue based on the numbers I've seen the majority of MLB ticket buyers are white (a large majority at that).
Tapate50
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I understand it, but disagree with what it looks like I guess. I live in a town of 70,000 and I picture us as more suburban vs anything the perimeter area offers. The sprawl of Atlanta has certainly blurred lines to the north as far as where the 'city' stops.
I agree the mass transit issue will be a HUGE issue going forward. I have to think some solution will present itself.
I'm not sure I understand where you are going here.
Atlanta has been a 'black mecca' since forever, 54% of the population is black (as of 2010) and I'm sure that number has only gone up since then.
But if the majority of MLB ticket buyers are white (could be in upwards of 80%) then why wouldn't a MLB team move to an area that is primarily white?
Well, that goes back to my whole comment about the Braves being the standard bearers.
Given the racial demographics in Atlanta they could (should) be the team that devises a marketing strategy which works to raise that number. They are in a great position to do it.
I mean, I know it's cliche, but sometimes the best business decisions are the ones which require the greatest risk (I think I heard a variant of that on last week's episode of Silicon Valley) and go against the grain.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
I just can't get over this. When I first saw the new stadium announcement I thought—trying to give the cloud a silver lining—oh, hey, here's a chance to kill two birds with one stone. A MARTA extension to Cobb County will ease some of the traffic congestion on the connector AND the new park will have easier MARTA access. Win win.
Nope.