2015 NFL Draft

gilesfan said:
On the whole, he was not good last year. 25 touchdowns to 18 picks.

Should he get credit for leading the comeback vs. FLorida 12-24 125 yards 2 td, 4 int? They had more talent than any team they played in the regular season last year by a long shot, but surprisingly had poor QB play.
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Not to make excuses because I don't think Winston himself was at all satisfied with the statistics of 2014 . But, let's put the season into context
Talent? - he had one upper classman for WR and 4 Freshmen. An inconsistent running game (solidified by again, a Freshman) and for over half the season a freshman center.

Of those 18 picks I would say that over half were receiver generated, I'd guess 95% others were balls that were forced because, well the kid has a cannon and thinks he can throw into a egg at 45 yards. To my mind that is why kids go to college to learn limitations.

I remember one he tried to throw away to the middle of the field. A college QB mistake. That was maybe the 2nd - 3rd game - never made that particular mistake again.
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On top of how many INT's or anything else, SCOREBOARD. He won 22-23 games and lost 1 in 2 years
 
57Brave said:
I was here when Randy Moss was here. No, he was not as closely scrutinized.
He was accused of smoking pot
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You aren't getting what Im saying. Moss has scrutinized at Marshall when entering the draft. If you don't believe me, watch the 30 for 30. And it was for far more than smoking pot.
 
57Brave said:
Not to make excuses because I don't think Winston himself was at all satisfied with the statistics of 2014 . But, let's put the season into context
Talent? - he had one upper classman for WR and 4 Freshmen. An inconsistent running game (solidified by again, a Freshman) and for over half the season a freshman center.

Of those 18 picks I would say that over half were receiver generated, I'd guess 95% others were balls that were forced because, well the kid has a cannon and thinks he can throw into a egg at 45 yards. To my mind that is why kids go to college to learn limitations.

I remember one he tried to throw away to the middle of the field. A college QB mistake. That was maybe the 2nd - 3rd game - never made that particular mistake again.
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On top of how many INT's or anything else, SCOREBOARD. He won 22-23 games and lost 1 in 2 years
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A senior TE as well. Possibly the best WR/TE combination in the country. I don't think you can deny they have far great talent than anyone they played except for Oregon.
 
I get your point, I just don't agree.

I thought the 30-30 on Boz ( as well as the Moss) had a lot of the Winston story.
Could say Iverson as well -

But none of those attracted the hype Winston has.
Question, how many exposes' did the NYT do on the above ---

They (NFL) pretty much know what Winston is and isn't.
A country kid that came to a big college and got hoodwinked by a girl --- happens every day all over the world
 
Publicity vs Scrutiny ------------- must be a slow day at work
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"well documented arrests"

??
 
57Brave said:
In my time of following sports from the late 1950's to now - I can't think of a more scrutinized non-professional athlete (not named Tanya Harding) than Winston .

Fairly or unfairly - warranted or un warranted
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Tebow has been scrutinized far more than Winston. Different reasons obviously (religious beliefs and talent level). If some team signed Tebow tomorrow to compete for their starting Q position, ESPN would spend the next 8-12 months talking about.

ESPN spent weeks breaking down Tebow's throwing/work out regimen while trying to prepare for the draft. Remember when "Tebowing" was a thing? Jake Plummer calling him out for being too religious?
 
Carp said:
Tebow has been scrutinized far more than Winston. Different reasons obviously (religious beliefs and talent level). If some team signed Tebow tomorrow to compete for their starting Q position, ESPN would spend the next 8-12 months talking about.
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WTF? Talking about different forms of scrutinized obviously. Tebow gets blown for ratings. Winston gets trashed.
 
It's scrutiny nonetheless. From teammates publicly criticizing him, to analysts breaking down his abilities for months on end before the draft. To Jake Plummer calling too peachy. I mean geez, we'd see Tebow critics teeing off on him even when he was barely seeing playing time for the Jets that last season.

And if you don't like that analogy, lets go with Johnny Football. Since the autograph scandal, he's easily received more scrutiny than Winston. He was a backup practically all season, and you still would be hard pressed to find one week during the season in which ESPN didn't have at least one article about him and the QB battle or reporting on his partying, etc.
 
Version 6 (February 26th):

Round 1:

1. Buccaneers: Jameis Winston (QB/Florida State)

2. Titans: Marcus Mariota (QB/Oregon)

3. Jaguars: Dante Fowler Jr. (OLB/Florida)

4. Raiders: Leonard Williams (DT/USC)

5. Redskins: Vic Beasley (OLB/Clemson)

6. Jets: Amari Cooper (WR/Alabama)

7. Bears: Trae Waynes (CB/Michigan State)

8. Falcons: Randy Gregory (DE/Nebraska)

9. Giants: Danny Shelton (DT/Washington)

10. Rams: Brandon Schreff (OT/Iowa)

11. Vikings: Kevin White (WR/West Virginia)

12. Browns: DeVante Parker (WR/Lousiville)

13. Saints: Shane Ray (DE/Missouri)

14. Dolphins: Malcolm Brown (DT/Texas)

15. 49ers: Alvin Dupree (DE/Kentucky)

16. Texans: Todd Gurley (RB/Georgia)

17. Chargers: Andrus Peat (OT/Stanford)

18. Chiefs: Jaelen Strong (WR/Arizona State)

19. Browns: La'el Collins (OT/LSU)

20. Eagles: Marcus Peters (CB/ Washington)

21. Bengals: T.J. Clemmings (OT/Pittsburgh)

22. Steelers: Kevin Johnson (CB/Wake Forest)

23. Lions: Landon Collins (SS/Alabama)

24. Cardinals: Cameron Erving (C/Florida State)

25. Panthers: Ereck Flowers (OT/Miami-FL)

26. Ravens: Melvin Gordon (RB/Wisconsin)

27. Cowboys: Owamage Odighizuwa (DE/UCLA)

28. Broncos: Eric Kendricks (ILB/UCLA)

29. Colts: Jordan Phillips (DT/Oklahoma)

30. Packers: Maxx Williams (TE/Minnesota)

31. Seahawks: Dorial Green-Beckham (WR/Oklahoma)

32. Patriots: Breshad Perriman (WR/Central Florida)

Round 2:

33. Titans: Shaq Thompson (OLB/Washington)

34. Buccaneers: A.J. Cann (OG/South Carolina)

35. Raiders: Sammie Coates (WR/Auburn)

36. Jaguars: Danielle Hunter (DE/LSU)

37. Jets: Brett Hundley (QB/UCLA)

38. Redskins: Eddie Goldman (DT/Florida State)

39. Bears: Eli Harold (OLB/Virginia)

40. Giants: Hauoli Kikaha (OLB/Oregon)

41. Rams: Laken Tomlinson (OG/Duke)

42. Falcons: Arik Armstead (DT/Oregon)

43. Browns: Quinten Rollins (CB/Miami-OH)

44. Saints: P.J. Williams (CB/Florida State)

45. Vikings: Ameer Abdullah (RB/Nebraska)

46. 49ers: Devin Smith (WR/Ohio State)

47. Dolphins: Nelson Agholor (WR/USC)

48. Chargers: Carl Davis (DT/Iowa)

49. Chiefs: D'Joun Smith (CB/Florida Atlantic)

50. Bills: Jay Ajayi (RB/Boise State)

51. Texans: Jalen Collins (CB/LSU)

52. Eagles: Paul Dawson (ILB/TCU)

53. Bengals: Michael Bennett (DT/Ohio State)

54. Lions: Duke Johnson (RB/Miami-FL)

55. Cardinals: Lorenzo Mauldin (OLB/Louisville)

56. Steelers: Jake Fisher (OT/Oregon)

57. Panthers: Nate Orchard (DE/Utah)

58. Ravens: Rashad Greene (WR/Florida State)

59. Broncos: Tevin Coleman (RB/Indiana)

60. Cowboys: Alex Carter (CB/Stanford)

61. Colts: Ty Sambrailo (OT/Colorado State)

62. Packers: Mario Edwards (DE/Florida State)

63. Seahawks: David Johnson (RB/Northern Iowa)

64. Patriots: Tre Jackson (OG/Florida State)

Round 3:

65. Bucaneers: Reese Dismukes (C/Auburn)

66. Titans: Devin Funchess (WR/Michigan)

67. Jagaurs: Jeremy Langford (RB/Michigan State)

68. Raiders: Preston Smith (DE/Mississippi State)

69. Redskins: Daryl Williams (OT/Oklahoma)

70. Jets: Kwon Alexander (OLB/LSU)

71. Bears: Anthony Harris (SS/Virginia)

72. Rams: Clive Walford (TE/Miami-FL)

73. Falcons: Ali Marpet (OG/Hobart)

74. Giants: Cody Prewitt (FS/Ole Miss)

75. Saints: Denzel Perryman (ILB/Miami-FL)

76. Vikings: Jesse James (TE/Penn State)

77. Browns: Xavier Cooper (DT/Washington State)

78. Dolphins: Derron Smith (FS/Fresno State)

79. 49ers: Steve Nelson (CB/Oregon State)

80. Chiefs: Arie Kouandjio (OG/Alabama)

81. Bills: Hroniss Grasu (C/Oregon)

82. Texans: Tyler Lockett (WR/Kansas State)

83. Chargers: Phillip Dorsett (WR/Miami-FL)

84. Eagles: Damarious Randall (FS/Arizona State)

85. Bengals: Benardrick McKinney (ILB/Mississippi State)

86. Cardinals: Byron Jones (CB/Connecticut)

87. Steelers: Davis Tull (OLB/Chattanooga)

88. Lions: Trey Flowers (DE/Arkansas)

89. Panthers: Tre McBride (WR/William & Mary)

90. Ravens: Josh Shaw (CB/USC)

91. Cowboys: T.J. Yeldon (RB/Alabama)

92. Broncos: John Miller (OG/Louisville)

93. Colts: Za'Darius Smith (DE/Kentucky)

94. Packers: Gabe Wright (DT/Auburn)

95. Seahawks: Doran Grant (CB/Ohio State)

96. Patriots: Jaquiski Tartt (SS/Samford)

Round 4:

97. Titans: Cedric Ogbuehi (OT/Texas A&M)

98. Patriots: D.J. Humphries (OT/Florida)

99. Raiders: David Cobb (RB/Minnesota)

100. Jaguars: Ben Koyack (TE/Notre Dame)

101. Jets: Mike Davis (RB/South Carolina)

102. Redskins: Justin Hardy (WR/East Carolina)

103. Bears: Donovan Smith (OT/Penn State)

104. Falcons: Tyler Kroft (TE/Rutgers)

105. Giants: Javorius Allen (RB/USC)

106. Buccaneers: Ibraheim Campbell (SS/Northwestern)

107. Vikings: Ramik Wilson (ILB/Georgia)

108. Browns: Anthony Chickillo (DE/Miami-FL)

109. Saints: B.J. Finney (C/Kansas State)

110. Eagles: Jordan Hicks (OLB/Texas)

111. Dolphins: Ronald Darby (CB/Florida State)

112. Browns: Lynden Trail (DE/Norfolk State)

113. Texans: Garrett Grayson (QB/Colorado State)

114. Chargers: Ifo Ekpre-Olomu (CB/Oregon)

115. Chiefs: Gerod Holliman (FS/Louisville)

116. Eagles: Tony Lippett (WR/Michigan State)

117. Bengals: Eric Rowe (CB/Utah)

118. Steelers: Nick O'Leary (TE/Florida State)

119. Lions: Rob Havenstein (OT/Wisconsin)

120. Cardinals: Josue Matias (OG/Florida State)

121. Panthers: Cameron Artis-Payne (RB/Auburn)

122. Ravens: Henry Anderson (DE/Stanford)

123. 49ers: Grady Jarrett (DT/Clemson)

124. Cowboys: Leterrius Walton (DT/Central Michigan)

125. Colts: Durrell Eskridge (FS/Syracus)

126. Packers: Senquez Golson (CB/Ole Miss)

127. Seahawks: Mitch Morse (OG/Missouri)

128. Patriots: Cedric Reed (DE/Texas)
 
I would love that draft or the Titans, CC

I still think we trade down or take one of Amari Cooper/Leonard Williams.... which kinda makes me mad, yet also excited. Both guys are elite talents in any draft class.
 
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