Alberto Callaspo Possibly Being Traded

Tapate50 said:
The money was there, and they used it to PAY IT FORWARD (just like you want us to) and buy a future asset with it instead of let it go to Liberty lined pockets, which it would have if unused.

In the end, that money was going back to Liberty if it wasn't used. I don't know why you have to pepper 3 threads with that assumption that we get to "pay it forward". It has no basis.
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Not sure why you're so butt hurt about the discussion. You have no evidence to your claim, and I have no evidence to mine. I'm just discussing alternatives to flushing $6M on a garbage pitcher who is likely to be DFAd before year's end
 
Deester11 said:
Yeah, but you can also say it's clear that some people wouldn't like any move that the Braves made. This isn't some blockbuster deal, nor does it sway the Braves into contention, but to get rid of fat Albert and the others, it wasn't so bad. I've not agreed with all the trades, but the majority of them have been good to very good.
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This was a good trade IMO, but clvclv is spinning things with making this all about Stults and asking if they'd want Wandy, etc. I have a hard time buying that those who often say such things are not spinning on purpose.
 
sturg33 said:
I don't think anybody isn't supporting the Callaspo deal. I think most everyone supported the Kimbrel and Gattis trades. The Heyward and Upton deals were controversial but I think most admit we at least got good value.

On the other hand, the typical Braves homers can't admit any wrong doing by the FO
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To play devils advocate....you can actually spin that the Upton trade was pretty bad since we are flirting with contention and none of the pieces we received have done anything, as of yet. Upton batting third in our current lineup would certainly help matters.
 
BRule said:
To play devils advocate....you can actually spin that the Upton trade was pretty bad since we are flirting with contention and none of the pieces we received have done anything, as of yet. Upton batting third in our current lineup would certainly help matters.
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That's the one I wish we had back. Do everything the same except Upton... and maybe use that Cahill money towards an extension :suprise:
 
BRule said:
To play devils advocate....you can actually spin that the Upton trade was pretty bad since we are flirting with contention and none of the pieces we received have done anything, as of yet. Upton batting third in our current lineup would certainly help matters.
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What? Ummmm Jace Peterson is our starting 2nd baseman, and has been pretty good.
 
sturg33 said:
That's the one I wish we had back. Do everything the same except Upton... and maybe use that Cahill money towards an extension :suprise:
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No Upton trade and Wandy over Stults and Cahill....you could argue we'd be in first or at the very least a 2-3 games closer to first.

But, again, that's just playing devils advocate....I wanted Justin to stay here but we got a good return for him and we aren't winning anything this year or next, no matter what thethe says.

Now if you tell me, we can nix the Markakis signing and give that money + Cahill's money to Upton....then I change my tune.
 
Orphan Black said:
What? Ummmm Jace Peterson is our starting 2nd baseman, and has been pretty good.
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He's been good the last 2 weeks but he's not putting up top 5 MVP numbers like Upton, nor should he. If we were going to make the playoffs, you'd want Upton and not Peterson, obviously.
 
BRule said:
He's been good the last 2 weeks but he's not putting up top 5 MVP numbers like Upton, nor should he. If we were going to make the playoffs, you'd want Upton and not Peterson, obviously.
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Obviously, but you said none of the pieces gotten back have done anything which is not true. We weren't expecting to get a top 5 MVP candidate for Upton nor should have it been expected.
 
BRule said:
No Upton trade and Wandy over Stults and Cahill....you could argue we'd be in first or at the very least a 2-3 games closer to first.

But, again, that's just playing devils advocate....I wanted Justin to stay here but we got a good return for him and we aren't winning anything this year or next, no matter what thethe says.

Now if you tell me, we can nix the Markakis signing and give that money + Cahill's money to Upton....then I change my tune.
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I think a really good offseason would have been something like:

- Do everything the same except for Upton, Markakis, Carp/Shreve, and dumpsterfire pitchers
- Sign Aoki
- Sign Wandy

1. Aoki
2. Maybin
3. Freeman
4. Upton
5. CJ/Uribe
6. KJ
7. Simmons
8. AJ/Bethancourt

Same rotation, with Wandy at the back

Same bullpen + Carpentar & Shreve

Then money saved on Markakis & Cahill goes to extending JUp
 
Atlanta Braves ‏@Braves 43s43 seconds ago
Braves acquire IF Juan Uribe and RHP Chris Withrow in exchange for IF Alberto Callaspo, LHPs Eric Stults and Ian Thomas and RHP Juan Jaime
 
sturg33 said:
It's clear that certain posters will refuse to admit any wrongdoing by the Braves.

I think it's a really hard sell to defend the Cahill trade.
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That's your opinion, and that's fine. I think it's quite easy to defend the Cahill trade. And no, I haven't been a fan of everything the Braves have done this offseason. I hated the Heyward trade, and even I have to admit that so far, it's looking pretty good. I was ok with the Upton trade once it was clear we were rebuilding, though I wasn't thrilled with it. I liked the Gattis and Kimbrel trades. I am indifferent on the Markakis signing; I can see why some don't like it, but I can also see some reasons to do it. Not a great signing, but probably won't be terrible in the long run. With regard to Wren, I was ok with the BJ signing at the time and hated the CJ extension. I liked the Uggla trade but was uneasy on the extension. I try to take each move as they come and evaluate them.

I think it's harder to argue that the Cahill trade was a disaster than it is to argue that it's great. We are still more than $6 million under our possible budget for this year, yet we haven't extended Wood or Miller, and we haven't dumped CJ. So while you may want those to happen, we still have some money to play with and we're still not doing them. So at this point, evidence seems to suggest that the $6 million we gave Cahill was probably not going to go anywhere otherwise. And we actually did get something for it; it's not just a completely wasted trade because Cahill is terrible.

My point on the CJ money is that he is already on the payroll for this year, so his salary this year is already included in our budget. So we could still easily trade him and agree to pay all of this year's money; that would give him to the team we trade him to at the same value you're talking about. We wouldn't have to have extra cash (even though we still do) to unload him; just pay him what you had already planned to pay him, and your budget is still the same as it would have been.
 
Orphan Black said:
What? Ummmm Jace Peterson is our starting 2nd baseman, and has been pretty good.
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Agreed. Plus the other prospects minus Fried who's recovering from TJ surgery are doing great so far. Personally, I was concerned about the Justin Upton trade at first, esp. after reports about Hart not getting the type of deal he really was looking for. But now I'd argue the Justin Upton trade has turned out very well so far and could even end up our best off-season trade in the end. Time will tell.
 
sturg33 said:
That's the one I wish we had back. Do everything the same except Upton... and maybe use that Cahill money towards an extension :suprise:
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I agree with this (as I've stated many times before). I really do like Jace Peterson and think he can be a valuable piece (and perhaps even an above average starting 2B over the course of his career) but I believe having JUp in our lineup with Peraza or any of our other potential filler middle IF options would have resulted in potentially contending in 2015.

With that also said, I've been incredibly happy with what Mallex Smith and Dustin Peterson have done to date, and Max Fried certainly could easily put this into a "clear win" column for the Braves-- but I wasn't thrilled about the trade when it first occurred.
 
sturg33 said:
I think a really good offseason would have been something like:

- Do everything the same except for Upton, Markakis, Carp/Shreve, and dumpsterfire pitchers
- Sign Aoki
- Sign Wandy

1. Aoki
2. Maybin
3. Freeman
4. Upton
5. CJ/Uribe
6. KJ
7. Simmons
8. AJ/Bethancourt

Same rotation, with Wandy at the back

Same bullpen + Carpentar & Shreve

Then money saved on Markakis & Cahill goes to extending JUp
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I think that's fair. You could certainly make an argument we should have gone that route. At the same time, I'm still not sure that roster is going to contend in any meaningful way. The lineup would be pretty good, or at least solid (that bottom half is still rough), the rotation would be pretty good but would still have question marks (Is Wandy really that much better than Perez/Wisler/Banuelos?), and the bullpen would be ok but still shaky.

And you might have a chance at extending Upton, but it wouldn't be a guarantee. You would still run the risk of losing him and setting you back a little further than we will be going into this offseason.
 
sturg33 said:
Not sure why you're so butt hurt about the discussion. You have no evidence to your claim, and I have no evidence to mine. I'm just discussing alternatives to flushing $6M on a garbage pitcher who is likely to be DFAd before year's end
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Who is butt hurt?

That isn't the way it works. You just came up with that cockamamie idea out of thin air and are littering 2 or 3 threads with the notion as if it held water. If that was the case, what would keep us from just tanking the **** out of this season and going all Marlins for the low low payroll and draft picks from picking first? Just roll out the full Gwinnett roster for like 10 mill? now THATS a rebuild I could get on board with.
 
Orphan Black said:
Obviously, but you said none of the pieces gotten back have done anything which is not true. We weren't expecting to get a top 5 MVP candidate for Upton nor should have it been expected.
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Fair, Jace was awful for most of the season but has been good recently. My main point was, if you thought the Braves were actual contenders then you probably don't do the Upton trade because none of the pieces we have gotten have been world beaters. Which was obviously going to be the case because the bigger pieces were prospects.
 
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